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United Kingdom riots
[edit]Blurb: Far-right protesters riot in various parts of the United Kingdom in response to a fatal mass stabbing in Southport, Merseyside. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Far-right, racially motivated protesters riot in various parts of the United Kingdom in response to a fatal mass stabbing in Southport, Merseyside.
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters, The Times]
Credits:
- Nominated by FelineHerder (talk · give credit)
- Disrupstive event in a major country. -FelineHerder (talk) 19:46, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb, the event is very important but the racial/religious motivations here can't be ignored. Personisinsterest (talk) 22:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- The size of these seem small? While there are many across the country, they seem to be in the dozens to a few hundred or so at each, which is really not that significant in the larger picture. --Masem (t) 00:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's getting some coverage but the scale of the riots is not on a level that we would normally post at ITN. As far as I can tell the only thing that makes these riots stand out is that it is the far right instead of the left. That is admittedly somewhat unusual in the UK. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 100M
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Blurb: Julien Alfred of St. Lucia wins the women's 100m at the Olympics 2024. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
- Had a discussion about this in the talk pages and it being the biggest sports event in 4 years. Men's is tomorrow, but like tennis grand slams, we can just update it then.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already covered by ongoing. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:549B:15AE:60C8:4E6 (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by ongoing item. Barring special significance, no single Olympic event rises to the level of a blurb imo. The Kip (contribs) 19:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by ongoing per above, Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Antônio Meneses
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thestrad.com/news/brazilian-cellist-antonio-meneses-dies-at-age-66/18411.article , https://concerto.com.br/noticias/musica-classica/morre-aos-66-anos-o-violoncelista-antonio-meneses , https://www.facebook.com/CelloMeneses/posts/pfbid044sM3nxYFCDj2TUcMoqzgY7RZntTqmiGG1pfKvaucJ43ncMDWLtebLy8UCcZwVV1l
Credits:
- Nominated by Zingarese (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: last paragraph of "career" (about discography) just needs a couple of little cites, which should take anyone 5-10 minutes with Google's help. Otherwise it should be good to go. Zingarese talk · contribs (please mention me on reply; thanks!) 18:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- should be GTG now as far as citing is concerned. Let me know if there are any other problems. Zingarese talk · contribs (please mention me on reply; thanks!) 20:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
2024 Lido Beach attack
[edit]Blurb: Al-Shabaab killed more than 20 people and injured dozens in an attack (pictured) on a popular spot in Mogadishu, Somalia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Over 20 people were killed, and dozens were injured in an Al-Shabaab attack at Lido Beach, Mogadishu (pictured).
Alternative blurb II: Al-Shabaab's deadly attack at Mogadishu's Lido Beach (pictured) leaves over 20 dead and dozens injured.
News source(s): Reuters AP
Credits:
- Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: It's effectively capture the tragic event and the broader implications of Lido Beach Attack
- Neutral — You will need to demonstrate how this is a significant development in the Somali civil war. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is very not NPOV, and it's already in the current events portal under the civil war. Sharrdx (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- An article being featured in the current events portal has no bearing as to whether it should be posted as a blurb. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support I'm not wowed by the article quality but this appears to be a major terrorist incident with significant loss of life. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Grim as it sounds, both Timeline of al-Shabaab-related events and the sub-categories of Category:Terrorist incidents in Somalia in the 2020s indicate that attacks of this scale unfortunately don't seem to be uncommon events in Somalia, and the article doesn't really detail why it's especially significant compared any others. The Kip (contribs) 19:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @The Kip deadliest attack since 2022 Somali Ministry of Education bombings. QalasQalas (talk) 21:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I’m not sure if deadliest attack in under two years establishes unique significance. The Kip (contribs) 22:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally as this is (as far as I can tell) the fourth attack at Lido Beach in as many years. Curbon7 (talk) 04:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I’m not sure if deadliest attack in under two years establishes unique significance. The Kip (contribs) 22:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @The Kip deadliest attack since 2022 Somali Ministry of Education bombings. QalasQalas (talk) 21:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @ElijahPepe one of the dealiest attack. QalasQalas (talk) 23:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Joyce Brabner
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Comicsbeat
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A80D:4F7:9392:624C (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mikeross22 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American comic book writer. 240F:7A:6253:1:A80D:4F7:9392:624C (talk) 18:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) American–Russian prisoner exchange
[edit]Blurb: The United States and Russia agree to a prisoner exchange, releasing twenty-six individuals. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The United States and Russia agree to a prisoner exchange of twenty-six individuals at the Ankara Esenboğa Airport (pictured).
Alternative blurb II: The United States and Russia agree to a prisoner exchange, releasing twenty-six individuals.
Alternative blurb III: The United States and allies agree to a a prisoner exchange with Russia, releasing twenty-six individuals.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Support once completed and the article is updated. This is reportedly the largest prisoner swap since the end of the Cold War [1]. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Highly important Personisinsterest (talk) 15:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Specifically the altblurb, and would support a free image of the prisoners being released if possible Personisinsterest (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2 - The location of the swap (Ankara Airport) is not important. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability prisoner exchanges happen frequently and even amongst warring nations, I cannot see why this particular exchange is notable. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is the largest since the Cold War,[2] and between two of the most powerful countries on earth Personisinsterest (talk) 15:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per Jessintime and Personisinterest. Prefer altblurb.yorkshiresky (talk) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose both on significance and quality. Ignoring the descriptions of the exchanged persons, the article has like two paragraphs of material about the actual process, nowhere close to standards. Biggest the biggest since the Cold War is not how significance should be judged. Masem (t) 16:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- How should it be judged then? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 17:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- What impact does it have on US Russia relations or is this going to impact the situation in Ukraine or with NATO. This reads as a routine type of exchange outside of the number being made at one time. — Masem (t) 17:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is it routine? I believe the last time this happened was 2022. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Two years ago seems routine to me. Masem (t) 21:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing routine about it. The scale, the preparation, the fact that seven countries participated, amount of prisoners exchanged and their weight and recognisability, connections to Navalny case. There are several people on the list whose getting to prison justified a blurb.
- Unprecedented is that a third country takes political prisoners who don't have any connection to it, among other things such as structure of this exchange.
- And how often are political prisoners exchanged. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Two years ago seems routine to me. Masem (t) 21:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, what it has to do with Ukraine? It didn't participate in the exchange.
- Second, why does this item need to depend on events that are WP:CRYSTAL? How one can know what the impact will be? Some people say that this may lead to further negotiations, on a higher level, some say that it inferes thaw in relations, others are convinced in the opposite. But the important thing is that people discuss it and it is focus, it is in the news all over the world BilboBeggins (talk) 12:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is it routine? I believe the last time this happened was 2022. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- What impact does it have on US Russia relations or is this going to impact the situation in Ukraine or with NATO. This reads as a routine type of exchange outside of the number being made at one time. — Masem (t) 17:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability and quality. Prisoner exchanges are common, and the article needs additional sources. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- How should it be judged then? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 17:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support obviously. Highly significant, as evidenced by the prominence of those exchanged. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:549B:15AE:60C8:4E6 (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Apart from the Background section, there is almost no substance to this article. Yakikaki (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle As noted, #Prisoner exchange needs expansion. Supporting on the merits as a noteworthy international relations story. I grant the systemic bias in this, but the cases of Evan Gershkovich and Paul Whelan (security director) are noteworthy in the U.S. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose both on significance and article quality per Masem and Abcmaxx. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Significant news and unique compared to other exchanges. Randam (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, great for the families, extortion from the Russians for embarrassing the US. Also, don't link countries on the Main Page per MOS:OVERLINK. Abductive (reasoning) 17:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Globally significant (views to the contrary are baffling to me - the biggest prisoner exchange between two nuclear-armed, Permanent Five powers since the Cold War?). It also involves numerous other nations (Turkey was a mediator, some of the prisoners were from Germany, Poland, Slovenia, Norway, at least one prisoner was freed from Belarus). So this is a multilateral thing. Article quality seems there, and improving still. Neutralitytalk 18:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as I'd like to see some expansion of the prose. Support on notability, though. The Kip (contribs) 18:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Masem makes a convincing argument. SerialNumber54129 19:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The nomination presents this as a US initiative when it seems that Germany has the lion's share of the Western end of this. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well yeah but it was a hostage deal between America and Russia Personisinsterest (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The news source given in the nomination presents it as a "Russia-West prisoner swap". The nomination then replaces West with America throughout. It's wrong. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The core element of the deal happening was in Germany serving life sentence. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that the blurb is bad doesn't make this postable or not. Suggest a new blurb if you think it is inaccurate or unacceptable. Natg 19 (talk) 21:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The US exceptionalism and nationalism seems to permeate the article and nomination. See its talk page. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well yeah but it was a hostage deal between America and Russia Personisinsterest (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Let the record reflect that I comment on ITN most often to note U.S.-centric bias. I incorrectly assumed that the deal was between the U.S. and Russia at first, as well. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The very sort of article we should be running; in the news and not so easy for readers to locate. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem Hungry403 (talk) 21:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality. As others have mentioned, the details on the prisoner exchange itself are lacking in prose. The article should be expanded upon before the blurb is posted. ArkHyena (talk) 21:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability In fact, there is precedent to post these types of things; for instance, Brittney Griner's release was posted. And with this event having many more prisoners being exchanged than that one, this passes the bar of significance in my mind. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose all current blurb options. A better blurb may be something along the lines of Russia released western journalists/political prisoners in exchange for releasing criminals held in western countries. Or similar. My wording is crap. There isn't a clear good short wording for this. But I agree with others that the blurb should not place undue emphasis on the US, given that from my reading 7 western countries were involved in the discussions for this exchange. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Most biased ITN i have ever seen AlexBobCharles (talk) 07:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is huge, and many prominent politicians and journalists are involved. Trepang2 (talk) 04:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major prisoner exchange between major countries in the major power blocks in the Second Cold War, historical and highly notable. --Gerrit CUTEDH 06:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. There weren't 26 people released, only 24, other two on the plane being kids whose parents were detained in Slovenia. Regarding the sides of exchange, altblurb3 is the correct one, because seven countries participated. Maybe it makes sense to mention Germany explicitly, because the most important contribution was by Germany and it has received all but three people of those who were sent to the West. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The photo should not be posted as it would be pro-US bias . Altblurb 3 is the best one
- The photo should be posted, it's the only group photo in public domain, no bias with photo. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I know , i meant for it be posted with no photo AlexBobCharles (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. The biggest prisoner exchange between West abd East since World War 2 [3]. In the news and analysed all over the world, the biggest news currently. The event is by no means trivial, as seven countries participated in swap, with Turkey serving as neutral party, and there were also difficulties in legal justification and abiding by law. This led to debate in Germany and may influence future of the governing coalition (because its members had varying opinions on thr issue). The situation is very complex and for sure there will be consequences, changes for bilateral relations between countries participating in the exchange, and more. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article quality has improved considerably and the title has been changed in view of the discussion. I think the consensus has shifted to support? Let me see some more feedback, then ready to post. --Tone 15:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Probably the last big international event of the year unless war breaks out between Iran and Israel. Count Iblis (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- -until war breaks out between Iran and Israel Personisinsterest (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support, in the news internationally and the article is in good shape. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support highly notable and in relatively good quality, Editor 5426387 (talk) 16:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posting. Feel free to add the picture. --Tone 17:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't feel the quality concerns raised early have been sufficiently addressed. Take out the background and list of people, and you have almost nothing of substance here and less than what we would normally expect. All the claims how this is that significant should be then easy to source to explain that by those making those claims, not just handwaving that factor. I am not going to ask for it to be pulled, but we have to make sure that what we are posting represent some of WP's best work since we're highlighting it on the main page. --Masem (t) 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. The posted blurb still emphasises the United States and treats the other countries involved as insignificant allies, i.e. puppets or stooges comparable with Belarus. This is not accurate or complete, as I understand it. The key prisoner was not Gershkovich, who is currently the primary focus of the article, but Krasikov who was the guy that Russia really wanted as he's a personal acquaintance or colleague of Putin. Krasikov was held by Germany and so their agreement was vital in getting the deal done. The Germans refused previously, holding out for a swap with Navalny and so it was his death that opened things up. The article doesn't explain this well and just seems to be cheer-leading for the US to make Biden and Harris look good. It comes across as blatant US propaganda. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- If not for Germany, the swap wouldn't have happened. So I agree with you. As I mentioned before, I also have issue with 26 released. If by ghat we mean that they were on planes, then yes. But many may understand this as if all 26 were released from prison, which is not the case. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The blurb is now in play at WP:ERRORS so we have a multilateral situation. I just looked at the lead of the article and the only named people are Americans. The lead picture is American showing Americans and an American flag. There's then a section all about a particular American. The negotiations section then starts with a link to VP Harris. It's like the Simpsons when Homer chants USA! USA! But see WP:NPOV... Andrew🐉(talk) 18:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- If not for Germany, the swap wouldn't have happened. So I agree with you. As I mentioned before, I also have issue with 26 released. If by ghat we mean that they were on planes, then yes. But many may understand this as if all 26 were released from prison, which is not the case. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. The posted blurb still emphasises the United States and treats the other countries involved as insignificant allies, i.e. puppets or stooges comparable with Belarus. This is not accurate or complete, as I understand it. The key prisoner was not Gershkovich, who is currently the primary focus of the article, but Krasikov who was the guy that Russia really wanted as he's a personal acquaintance or colleague of Putin. Krasikov was held by Germany and so their agreement was vital in getting the deal done. The Germans refused previously, holding out for a swap with Navalny and so it was his death that opened things up. The article doesn't explain this well and just seems to be cheer-leading for the US to make Biden and Harris look good. It comes across as blatant US propaganda. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't feel the quality concerns raised early have been sufficiently addressed. Take out the background and list of people, and you have almost nothing of substance here and less than what we would normally expect. All the claims how this is that significant should be then easy to source to explain that by those making those claims, not just handwaving that factor. I am not going to ask for it to be pulled, but we have to make sure that what we are posting represent some of WP's best work since we're highlighting it on the main page. --Masem (t) 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Gershkovich and Whelan were the only people initially confirmed. The image is the only public domain image pertaining to this. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pull The article is nonsensically lop-sided. There's an entire massive paragraph about Gershkovich (why?), a paragraph about negotiations which should be titled "American negotiations", and the reactions section ... well, you get the picture. Practically nothing about Germany without who this wouldn't have happened at all. Black Kite (talk) 19:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The info from article in other languages may be added. BilboBeggins (talk) 09:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pull The article is not ready for the main page, containing a fully unsourced background section. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've dealt with the copyvio problems but this has just left a lot of the article unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 10:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support The article was put together pretty quickly given how fast the news developed. It can be continually improved. This is the largest prisoner exchange since the Cold War, possibly ever. Posting it was the right call. Pats2017 (talk) 00:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Pats2017 (talk)
- There is no timeliness factor for ITN posting. Quality must be established before it is posted, and even at the current state, the substance of the article (the negotations of the trade) are barely discussed. --Masem (t) 00:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- <<There is no timeiness factor for ITN posting>>
- Not my point. The point is that it's a huge story that people going to Wikipedia will look for. And as for quality, we of course want a high-quality article. As I said, it can always be revised and improved. But even if it can use improvement the magnitude of the story merits consideration for WP:IAR. The item has been posted and should remain so.Pats2017 (talk) 00:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Pats2017
- Quality is a non-negotiable requirement for any article linked as a featured one from the Main Page, since those are supposed to represent some of WP's best work. We don't IAR quality for timeliness. And if readers aren't seeing a news story they thing might be in the ITN box, its why we also include the Current Events portal to help further while the article may be improved. --Masem (t) 01:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- We've routinely put stories up before that weren't the best quality--we do it all the time for sporting events, award ceremonies, elections.
- You may disagree with me about what qualifies our "best work," but In The News always represents our best work that we could post in a timely manner, give that we have at most seven days before items become stale. There are always comments in the Talk Page about how an "article is good enough" to post (You can scroll down the current ITN Talk Page for at least three instances.)
- I can understand the case for Pulling an item that clearly doesn't meet ITN criteria on signficance (for example, the Beatles "new hit song" item that got posted and then--correctly imho--pulled a while back). But this is clearly a ITN-worthy item that affects at least seven nations and has a profound impact. The toothpaste is out of the tube. Pulling the item back at this point is silly. Pats2017 (talk) 01:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do not post things like awards, sports results, or elections without the article being at least a reasonably complete state within the hours or days after that has completed. For new news events, there is a reasonable expectation of what could be included. For this prisoner trade, there are several articles (now? maybe not 24-48 hrs ago) that have significant deals - far more than what our current article's two paragraphs fail to properly summarize. That's the type of expection we want to those non-routine events. Same applies to disaster articles; we don't post until we know we have a sufficient amount of detail about the event itself. We're not expecting completeness, and things can change and be added after posting, but the initial post needs to be of a certain level that shows the article is trending towards meeting all core content policies and thus appropriate for an encyclopedia, not just regurgitating the news. For example, there's still what seems to be underselling of the Germany role in these negotiations, which makes this still an NPOV issue. --Masem (t) 02:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point re:Germony, but it doesn't nullify my point that every article currently on the ITN board got the "article is good enough" seal of consensus on the Talk Page prior to posting. The prisoner swap article also needs improvement and will continue to be revised.
- Don't make perfect the enemy of good. There's no need to pull the article. Just keep working roward making it better. Pats2017 (talk) 02:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do not post things like awards, sports results, or elections without the article being at least a reasonably complete state within the hours or days after that has completed. For new news events, there is a reasonable expectation of what could be included. For this prisoner trade, there are several articles (now? maybe not 24-48 hrs ago) that have significant deals - far more than what our current article's two paragraphs fail to properly summarize. That's the type of expection we want to those non-routine events. Same applies to disaster articles; we don't post until we know we have a sufficient amount of detail about the event itself. We're not expecting completeness, and things can change and be added after posting, but the initial post needs to be of a certain level that shows the article is trending towards meeting all core content policies and thus appropriate for an encyclopedia, not just regurgitating the news. For example, there's still what seems to be underselling of the Germany role in these negotiations, which makes this still an NPOV issue. --Masem (t) 02:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Quality is a non-negotiable requirement for any article linked as a featured one from the Main Page, since those are supposed to represent some of WP's best work. We don't IAR quality for timeliness. And if readers aren't seeing a news story they thing might be in the ITN box, its why we also include the Current Events portal to help further while the article may be improved. --Masem (t) 01:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no timeliness factor for ITN posting. Quality must be established before it is posted, and even at the current state, the substance of the article (the negotations of the trade) are barely discussed. --Masem (t) 00:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Assassination of Mohammed Deif
[edit]Blurb: Israel confirms that it assassinated Mohammed Deif, the military commander of Hamas, last month. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Another significant assassination in the context of the war. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 11:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, until more evidence comes out let’s hold off on posting. Dudes article has a few CN tags. Ion.want.uu (talk) 12:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, they said that on the first day. Seeing as there's no more evidence and that this is denied by Hamas, I don't think we can post this Personisinsterest (talk) 12:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hamas has not confirmed or denied the death. We can wait until then to decide whether to post. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as stale. The notable thing would be the death of Deif, not the announcement of his death. And, if the announcement is correct, he would have died weeks ago, so this would be stale. Also, as others have said, it is still not fully clear if he really was killed in the strike. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Gödel2200: The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines:
"for purposes of determining timing and staleness, the date is considered when the event was first reported in reliable sources."
Kurtis (talk) 23:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Gödel2200: The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines:
- Merge into the blurb about Ismail Haniyeh. The staleness is not a big deal if the news is breaking now – see the entry for William Calley who died back in April. The strike on Fuad Shukr might be added too but he was Hezbollah rather than Hamas. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh, it's two different strikes and this one isn't even confirmed. Personisinsterest (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- One was the political leader of Hamas and the other its main military leader and so they naturally complement each other. Both events still have some uncertainty about the details but so it goes. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh, it's two different strikes and this one isn't even confirmed. Personisinsterest (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb as worded. "Assassination" is a term used to denote an act of criminal murder and as such would be highly problematic per NPOV. I can't recall any incident where the killing of the military commander of an enemy with whom you are in a formal state of war was labeled as an assassination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as stale This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Orbitalbuzzsaw: The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines:
"for purposes of determining timing and staleness, the date is considered when the event was first reported in reliable sources."
Kurtis (talk) 23:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC) - Even if rejected for blurb, this can still be posted as an RD. Curbon7 (talk) 23:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Orbitalbuzzsaw: The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines:
- I disagree with the closure of this discussion, which I feel was done prematurely and based on erroneous reasoning. First, the news itself is not stale if it was just announced. As ITN's guidelines very clearly state:
"for purposes of determining timing and staleness, the date is considered when the event was first reported in reliable sources."
Therefore, Mohammed Deif's death is still breaking news, and still a viable candidate for a blurb. I also feel that the discussion was closed too hastily, as even if we don't approve a separate blurb, we might still incorporate it into the current blurb regarding the death of Ismail Haniyeh like Andrew Davidson suggests (which is what I would support). And although I think it's very helpful to have non-admins closing discussions, NACs should mostly be done in cases where the consensus is completely unambiguous and unlikely to change in the near future. In more complex cases, the closing party should have the full range of options available to them, which includes the ability to post it, or to modify an existing blurb. I'd re-open this discussion myself, but I'll leave the decision to other observers. Kurtis (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC) - Reopened, this isn't stale as the announcement is recent. Stephen 23:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - it's an Israeli claim, not an established fact. nableezy - 23:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - stale. The Kip (contribs) 04:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @The Kip: How so? It was only recently announced. Kurtis (talk) 06:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- There were conflicting reports on his death as early as the airstrike itself, which was weeks ago - this is just Israel formally staking a claim, which itself isn't entirely clear on veracity. The Kip (contribs) 16:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @The Kip: How so? It was only recently announced. Kurtis (talk) 06:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Hamas has still not confirmed his death AlexBobCharles (talk) 07:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, It's just an israeli claim, and is denied by Hamas, there's no more evidence.--Dr-Taher (talk) 06:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Halla Tómasdóttir becomes president
[edit]Blurb: Halla Tómasdóttir is to be sworn in as the president of Iceland after elections in June. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Abcmaxx (talk) 10:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Several things to comment. First, Iceland is a parliamentary republic and its head of state has no executive powers. Consequently, it is not ITNR. Secondly, I would wait for the official inauguration. And, thirdly, the presidential election was two months ago, so the main article cannot be the one about the election because it is stale and should be the one about Tómasdóttir. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- For some reason I got the months wrong. Amended now. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- thanks! The problem now is that it's a short biography. The articles in Icelandic and Italian have more content with sources. The articles may help to expand on this. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- For some reason I got the months wrong. Amended now. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose we didn't include the Icelandic election, therefore we shouldn't include the swearing in. Scu ba (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually if we missed the Icelandic elections this is a good opportunity to remedy this and post. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- No. We didn’t miss the Icelandic election. It was put up as a cannidate. The result of the discussion was to not post it since 1) it’s Iceland and 2) the office of president is ceremonial and 3) we haven’t posted an Icelandic presidential election before. Scu ba (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the previous discussion but none of those seem like a good reason on their own to oppose: 1. Iceland is a fully sovereign state, and isn't a micronation by any means; its relatively small population should not really be a discriminating factor. 2. It's ceremonial in many states, and the president is still a representative of the nation with political influence 3. That does not mean it cannot ever be posted. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't get me wrong, I agree, Iceland's results should've been included in the news, but it wasn't. We don't include swearing ins so we shouldn't break precedent here. Scu ba (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the previous discussion but none of those seem like a good reason on their own to oppose: 1. Iceland is a fully sovereign state, and isn't a micronation by any means; its relatively small population should not really be a discriminating factor. 2. It's ceremonial in many states, and the president is still a representative of the nation with political influence 3. That does not mean it cannot ever be posted. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually if we missed the Icelandic elections this is a good opportunity to remedy this and post. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support to compensate for missing the Icelandic election, as per Abcmaxx. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now as Halla Tómasdóttir is a stub. Willing to reconsider if expanded. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on both quality and notability; the main article is a stub and the office is largely ceremonial, with little impact. Yakikaki (talk) 16:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support since we missed the election, pending improvements (including finding a picture) This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, wait for inauguration Personisinsterest (talk) 19:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose -- not ITNR. President of Iceland is ceremonial and has no power. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 10:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The president of Iceland does have some executive powers, though I think we should only be posting the prime minister. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. The Kip (contribs) 18:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Task & Purpose
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A80D:4F7:9392:624C (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit) and 2601:449:4582:b3c0:f5e8:51c8:d1c2:4290 (talk · give credit)
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Vietnam War veteran and Medal of Honor recipient. 240F:7A:6253:1:A80D:4F7:9392:624C (talk) 18:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) September 11 prosecutions
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Walid bin Attash, and Mustafa al-Hawsawi agree to plead guilty in connection with planning the September 11 attacks (pictured). (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Wait significant, but the actual trial will the event that gets coverage. Hold until then. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is no formal trial for these defendants, only a military commission. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sentencing, sorry. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no formal trial for these defendants, only a military commission. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose good story but no significant change for these men. They are already in custody and will remain so. Natg 19 (talk) 22:34, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is appropriately orange tagged and appears to need lots of work. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support The really notable thing here is their guilty plea removes the possibility of a death penalty (instead they will serve a life sentence) but also removes the possibility of a trial and the risk of the case being overturned due to 'invalid' evidence This has been in flux for years, and its an important development after a decade+ of legal drama. With that said, there could be a possible 'mini trial' and we could post then (likely next year). Or post now, but after improvements to the article (currently only contains a single sentence about the guilty plea and is not nearly ready for ITN). Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the article isn't in good shape and this isn't notable Personisinsterest (talk) 23:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, big news. this is the biggest development in this case that has been ongoing for more than 20 years. A guilty plea wasn't expected because there was talk of the government wanting to imprison them for life (or just sentence them to death). President Biden even denied a plea proposal just last September. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 01:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is really nothing, doesn't cap off anything since they've been incarcerated since. Article is also poor quality, far too much proseline and details and not really a narrative approach of a quality article. --Masem (t) 01:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose WTF? This event was 20 years ago. The first thing the article needs to explain is why this is happening at all right now. And a quick glance didn't answer that question for me. A simple explanation for us ignorant masses please, before I can support anything being posted. HiLo48 (talk) 01:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HiLo48 - Various leaders of al-Qaeda and their associates have been imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay since the early days of the Bush administration, on charges that they were the planners behind 9/11 alongside bin Laden. The U.S. government has brought up a criminal case against them and has purposely drawn it out so these terrorists have little to no chance of release. The death penalty or life in prison is what they were seeking, and there were also concerns that exculpatory evidence was being withheld. Today, indeed after 20+ years, a deal seems to have been reached where the terrorists have entered a guilty plea. It is the most significant movement in the case against the 9/11 terrorists in years. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 02:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- User:That Coptic Guy Thanks for that explanation. I'd suggest that some of what you've written there needs to be right up front in the article this nomination is based on. This is a global encyclopaedia, and a lot of readers will be like me, quite unaware of that background information. HiLo48 (talk) 03:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HiLo48 - Various leaders of al-Qaeda and their associates have been imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay since the early days of the Bush administration, on charges that they were the planners behind 9/11 alongside bin Laden. The U.S. government has brought up a criminal case against them and has purposely drawn it out so these terrorists have little to no chance of release. The death penalty or life in prison is what they were seeking, and there were also concerns that exculpatory evidence was being withheld. Today, indeed after 20+ years, a deal seems to have been reached where the terrorists have entered a guilty plea. It is the most significant movement in the case against the 9/11 terrorists in years. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 02:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment — The linked article unquestionably needs more work. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opppose There's a better argument to post when they're actually sentenced. Estreyeria (talk) 13:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The pleas seem unreliable as it seems well established that the accused have been subjected to extensive torture rather like Peine forte et dure. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Currently, the article does not indicate that they have actually pled guilty. Certainly we would not post people only "agreeing" to plead guilty. And even if they do plead guilty, they would still not have been sentenced. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Moussa Dadis Camara convicted
[edit]Blurb: Former President of Guinea Moussa Dadis Camara is found guilty of crimes against humanity. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
The article looks to be well sourced. It has a outdated tag, though I'm not sure this is really necessary. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support fairly notable Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per Ion.want.uu, news from Africa rarely reach western audiences, and debatabaly, it is just as significant as highly visible events, such as the recent assassination of Ismail Haniyeh. Article needs some more work, though. Viva Nicolás (talk) 23:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, notable Personisinsterest (talk) 23:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, article still needs plenty of work. Among other issues, there is a tag that has been there for almost 10 years asking for an update on the massacre that the former president is responsible for. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 01:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per above. Will switch to support if/when it’s improved, a former head of state being convicted of crimes against humanity is notable enough. The Kip (contribs) 02:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality per above. Definitely something that should be posted if/when the page is brought up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle but oppose on quality per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per notability. Scu ba (talk) 17:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle but the few tag issues remaining should be resolved before posting. Yakikaki (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Killing of Ismail Haniyeh
[edit]Blurb: Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, is killed in Tehran. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, is assassinated in Tehran.
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Wait Lets get some more detail and flesh out the article. Right now we don't know much at all. It's also worth noting that today/tonight Israel is believed to have killed a senior military commander of Hezbollah in Beirut. Kind of reminds me of the last 10 minutes of The Godfather when all of the family's accounts are settled. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Zero need for a separate death article, unless the actual operation that took him down is well documented. Save for a couple of tags, the main bio article is ready to go. (And this is pending confirmation that seems up in the air right now. And to add once more, if true, clearly notable and ITN appropriate beyond the current ongoings) --Masem (t) 04:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support Confirmed by Iranian sources, which are likely to be biased more towards Haniyeh and in favor of reporting him alive, but that is not the case. Apart from the legitimacy of this assassination, I strongly disagree with Masem in this regard and believe this should have a standalone article aswell as this marks the highest killing of a Hamas official/leader since the Israel-Hamas war started on October 7 and since the killing of Saleh al Arouri in January. Although it's very early right now to say anything about the killing, I believe as more time passes, more information will eventually be revealed as this is a huge event. Worst case scenario, if the killing is so poorly documented, I still believe it should have a standalone section in some article somewhere. Haniyeh has also held numerous positions other than just leading Hamas. TwistedAxe [contact] 04:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unlike Killing of Osama bin Laden, where there is a great deal of discussion of the specific operation as well as the past attempts to kill him, all that is in the present article is 50% reaction material, 25% background, and the rest speculation as to the actual event. This is not how we write event articles, but we certainly can present the death as part of the biographical article. --Masem (t) 12:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Right, but I believe we’re still in the early stages and clearing the fog of war. If the dust settles and the assassination is still poorly documented, I’d say we put it under the Death section definitely. If, however, enough information is presented, I’d say we definitely keep the standalone article. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not unreasonable to have kept the details in both the bio article as well as at least one of the overarching ongoing articles about this Gaza conflict, particularly the latter because it provides the necessarily context of the larger picture. And then if extensive details of the actual Assassination emerge later then create the standalone. But this reverse way encourages bad splits as the potential of POV forks, as well as poor quality articles in trying to isolate the event from the larger picture without clearly knowing if that split makes sense. This type of approach is contrary to NOTNEWS and doesn't make for high quality ITN material that we are supposed to feature. Masem (t) 14:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Right, but I believe we’re still in the early stages and clearing the fog of war. If the dust settles and the assassination is still poorly documented, I’d say we put it under the Death section definitely. If, however, enough information is presented, I’d say we definitely keep the standalone article. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unlike Killing of Osama bin Laden, where there is a great deal of discussion of the specific operation as well as the past attempts to kill him, all that is in the present article is 50% reaction material, 25% background, and the rest speculation as to the actual event. This is not how we write event articles, but we certainly can present the death as part of the biographical article. --Masem (t) 12:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality: Article still needs a lot more work in order to qualify for ITN. More information is also needed on the assassination. Support once all these issues have been addressed. Tofusaurus (talk) 04:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - article is still developing/too short, and fog of war is still very much in effect w/ regards to exactly what happened (airstrike vs “raid,” official claims of responsibility, etc). Pretty much all that’s clearly confirmed at this moment is that he was assassinated in the first place. The Kip (contribs) 04:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support, per TwistedAxe. The article should be "Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh".--Dr-Taher (talk) 04:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support ITN worthy, but wait until more reporting comes in, then we need to add the cause of death to the blurb because the current one is too short Afif Brika1 (talk) 05:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh is just one small section of Ismail Haniyeh that was split out into its own stub for some reason. If this were fixed, then the main article would just need a little proseline clean up before it's ready. It's also developing a list of WP:INDISCRIMINATE trivia in the "responses" section as these articles often do, so that's another barrier. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support on the basis of it being a notable event. Kurtis (talk) 05:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, huge development. Shadow4dark (talk) 07:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb to specify that Haniyeh was the group's political leader rather than military leader. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 09:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, This is an important point to mention. Dr-Taher (talk) 09:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. ToadetteEdit! 10:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. On notability. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 10:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support on notability Personisinsterest (talk) 10:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- By the way, can we get a picture of him in here? Personisinsterest (talk) 11:57, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support Israel-Palestine is arguably the most notable topic in the world right now , Article is good enough . Altblurb is better as it states that he was political leader AlexBobCharles (talk) 11:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 12:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why not note that he was political leader? 3 people (including me) supported this in this discussion AlexBobCharles (talk) 12:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, this mention is important. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's important to specify that Haniyeh ws the political leader. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why not note that he was political leader? 3 people (including me) supported this in this discussion AlexBobCharles (talk) 12:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, there are NPOV issues with the article[5].VR (Please ping on reply) 13:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Post-Post Support Ion.want.uu (talk) 13:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Post-Post Support - Article well cited and well written, except for the WP:FLAGCRUFT. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 13:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pull NPOV issues. Noah, BSBATalk 14:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- That is a dispute about some organization of the page and not substantive. There is no reason for an over reaction from here. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- +1 The NPOV disagreement is small AlexBobCharles (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- That is a dispute about some organization of the page and not substantive. There is no reason for an over reaction from here. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting conditional support - Disagree that NPOV issues warrant pulling, but agree with the above discussion that any blurb should specify he led the political bureau for clarity and accuracy. He was not the commander of the militant organization. The leader of the military wing, Mohammed Deif, is still alive. The average reader could plausibly assume "leader of Hamas" means the leader of the militant group, which is not accurate. An average reader might also assume that him being "the Hamas leader" meant he was the leader of the Gaza Strip, which is also an inaccurate reading as that person is Yahya Sinwar, who is also still alive. He was the highest ranking Hamas official killed in the war so far, but not important in the ways you might expect just based on his title. I do not support having it posted with the current blurb. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Post-Posting comment As pointed above in detail by Vanilla Wizard and others , blurb should specify he was leader of the political bureau AlexBobCharles (talk) 20:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- How come no votes for Oppose as part of ongoing? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 08:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
An armed conflict between Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups has been taking place chiefly in the Gaza Strip and southern Israel since 7 October 2023.
This outlier took place in Tehran, killing a non-militant. That's the way I see it, anyway. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support and comment Article looks good and I firmly believe (as long the article quality is good) assassinations are blurb worthy. @Stephen: Would it be possible to swap images with a better crop? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Robert Fellowes, Baron Fellowes
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6] [7]
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- Nominated by Walco1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Private secretary to Elizabeth II in the 1990s and brother-in-law of Diana, Princess of Wales. Walco1 (talk) 15:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Could use a few more footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
July 30
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(Reviewers needed) RD: Fuad Shukr
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/31/who-isfuad-shukr
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- Created by Eladkarmel (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Longhornsg (talk · give credit)
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Hezbollah commander killed by Israel in Beirut. 2002:8E01:20E3:0:0:0:8E01:20E3 (talk) 19:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Onyeka Onwenu
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D057:E125:D731:507A (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nenub (talk · give credit) and Cleanupbabe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nigerian singer-songwriter and actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:D057:E125:D731:507A (talk) 06:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Prose could use more footnotes. Place of birth mentioned in the infobox is not sourced nor mentioned in the main prose. Only one item in the Filmography is sourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Wayanad landslides
[edit]Blurb: At least 300 people die as a result of 2024 Wayanad landslides in Wayanad, India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Landslides in Wayanad, India kill at least 300 people.
Alternative blurb II: The deadliest landslides in Kerala history kill at least 300 in Wayanad.
News source(s): https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/8/2/bring-him-back-hope-meets-loss-in-indian-villages-hit-by-landslides
Credits:
- Nominated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Quake1234 (talk · give credit), Golem469 (talk · give credit), Spworld2 (talk · give credit), Sherenk1 (talk · give credit) and Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
These landslides got international media attention. Pachu Kannan (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Notable enough, with multiple international media mentions. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Deadliest landslide in the region. Article is good enough to post. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article structure is good enough to post. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 10:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, notable and deadly, and article is finePersonisinsterest (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- also, altblurb 2 Personisinsterest (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 12:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
2024 Venezuela protests
[edit]Blurb: Protests erupt in Venezuela against the Maduro government, after his victory in the 2024 elections that was widely seen as fraudulent. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Venezuela widespread protests erupt as the official 2024 election results are contested.
Alternative blurb II: Widespread protests erupt after Nicolás Maduro is declared the winner of Venezuela's 2024 presidential election amid allegations of electoral fraud.
Alternative blurb III: At least 19 people are killed during widespread protests in Venezuela after Nicolás Maduro claims to have won the 2024 presidential election amid allegations of electoral fraud.
Alternative blurb IV: Protests erupt after Nicolás Maduro is declared the winner of Venezuela's 2024 presidential election
Credits:
- Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
This should probably be combined with the blurb below, but I think the protests are only becoming larger and larger, and are now international news. Article is making good progress. Libertad! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support: This would obviously be better than a blurb only about Maduro's win. Article is small but is expanding. Prodrummer619 (talk) 10:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Perhaps reads more like a chronology, but well updated. And anecdotally, the BBC News report leads with the scale and severity of the protests, only saying "disputed re-election" as context - so I don’t think this needs to be combined with or wait for the election nom (below), it’s sufficiently standalone news. Kingsif (talk) 12:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I know that there are protests going on there, but just listing a bunch of events in a chronological order without anything else that indicates these are all tied together is not a quality article. --Masem (t) 12:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Surely we would combine this blurb with the blurb for the election, so this nomination probably can just be replaced by adding an altblurb to the nom for the presidential election. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have added an alt blurb. Unfortunately I am not (as of this comment) satisfied with the quality of the main article on the elections. But I do think the situation in Venezuela merits a blurb on the main page. The protest article is adequate for posting. I have included an unbolded link to the article on the elections. Hopefully it will continue to improve. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Perhaps a combined blurb could be something like "Widespread protests erupt after Nicolas Maduro is declared the winner of Venezuela's contested (or "controversial") 2024 presidential election". PtolemyXV (talk) 15:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Added alt3. It can definitely be improved; death toll taken from the article, which could also be improved, especially after another day. Kingsif (talk) 20:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support National election results are noteworthy, and I think the quality of the article will continue to improve given the magnitude of the event. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 21:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the blurbs as politically charged, we didn't say it like that for the Rwandan election, even though it is more likely to have had irregularities, judging from the results. Also, wait for the protests to unfold further as they clearly been planned well beforehand, and the article is also largely currently only one-sided. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Added alt4. There really is no need to append that the results are disputed - the protests themselves would indicate this. And I'm not sure the usage of "widespread" is needed here. But I do think this is to best, and works as a combined blurb. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt4, as it is more neutral and not politically charged i.e. imply which side the protests are on. Wait on article about the protests, as work needs to be done to ensure the article is not all on the anti-Chavista side. Viva Nicolás (talk) 23:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose in general; this article is not being developed, is woefully incomplete, the infobox is mostly OR, and I don't see any chance it is going to improve because of lack of effort. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I hope someone who speaks Spanish is checking this article; I don't have time. I checked only the last line on the current page, and found it wrong. In general, the article isn't mainpage ready and it doesn't appear that anyone is working to get it that way. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I copied my note on the July 29 listing here. These are some comments I would like to restate:
- IMO, I think the only thing in the way of this being posted is the flagrant political bias in both articles. I think I would like to work on this ^ - ^ --Viva Nicolás (talk) 04:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Remember when the 2019 Bolivian general election was overturned by protests when the opposition alleged they were rigged, but the 2020 Bolivian general election run under the coup regime definitively showed otherwise. Viva Nicolás (talk) 06:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The election article can be formatted like the 2019 Bolivian general election article, while the protests article can be formatted like the 2019 Bolivian protests article. Viva Nicolás (talk) 06:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: The protests that have erupted due to the controversial and disputed election results Wilfredor (talk) 23:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: William Calley
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American war criminal. Only man convicted in the My Lai Massacre. He died on April 28th but his death was only just reported. Article is in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Support! He was the only one convicted in this important event. 109.43.48.31 (talk) 13:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- We'll post anyone important enough to have a Wikipedia page; we only assess article quality here. Bremps... 15:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support One cn tag shouldn't keep hit this otherwise lengthy well sourced article from getting posted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added a cite and removed the only CN tag. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Article meets ITN standards for posting. Jusdafax (talk) 00:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 06:00, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
July 29
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RD: Chino XL
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone, Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:FD24:8B6B:DCD3:55B5 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheAstuteObserver (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American rapper and actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:FD24:8B6B:DCD3:55B5 (talk) 21:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Discography and Filmography sections lack sourcing. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Robert Banas
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:FD24:8B6B:DCD3:55B5 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Tinton5 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American dancer and actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:FD24:8B6B:DCD3:55B5 (talk) 21:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support I think the article is adequate (barely) for posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sources missing for his date and place of birth, and for kissing Marilyn Monroe. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Deadpool & Wolverine
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Deadpool & Wolverine, starring Ryan Reynolds (pictured), breaks box office records for an R-rated movie in its opening weekend (Post)
News source(s): CNN, France24, Hollywood Reporter,LA Times, NYT, Straits Times, Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Created by Captain Assassin! (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BarntToust (talk · give credit), Favre1fan93 (talk · give credit), KingArti (talk · give credit), Richiekim (talk · give credit) and Trailblazer101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
This has been a hit with our readers too as the top read article for several straight days now, beating the Olympics, the elections and the rest. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose ITN is not for these types of news. First of all, we do not post News items just because they are the most read one, that goes here. Second, R-rating is just a US specific rating and a large of readers probably do not know about it and therefore this record holds little value to them. Lastly, it is only the 6th largest opening in the US overall and around 12th biggest worldwide opening for any movie, so hardly a groundbreaking record. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not the type of business news we post, and to state this yet again, we do not use page views as a metric of whether we should post at ITN in the first place. --Masem (t) 11:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Estreyeria (talk) 13:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Prince of Punjab. This isn't the overall record, which is inevitably broken due to inflation. This is like saying there is a new tallest building in the world...well, the tallest that Americans under 17 can enter with adult supervision. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
New UNESCO World Heritage Sites
[edit]Blurb: The World Heritage Committee in New Delhi selected 24 new sites for the global List of World Heritage Sites, with the Schwerin Castle in Germany (pictured) among them. (Post)
Alternative blurb: 24 new sites were selected for the global List of World Heritage Sites during the 46th session in New Delhi, India.
Alternative blurb II: The World Heritage Committee designates 24 new UNESCO World Heritage Sites during its 46th session in New Delhi, India (Schwerin Castle in Germany pictured).
News source(s): UNESCO DW EuroNews
Credits:
- Nominated by Horst-schlaemma (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The newly selected UNESCO World Heritage Sites are normally featured in the News here. Example can be left out or swapped, I think it is usually a wonderful addition. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support After a huge emphasis on sports and politics lately, more cultural news are definitely appreciated! And this is certainly the most relevant of the past few weeks. Venustates (talk) 09:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe It's interesting, in the news and encyclopedic but there are over a thousand of these sites now and another 24 seems too many to be headlining particular cases. In the UK, it was the Flow Country which got attention. How do we decide which to feature? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I totally get that, that's why I said the example can of course also be left out, though it is nice to have a picturesque example included. But I wouldn't put much emphasis on that. Greetings, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 10:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I noted below, Ruins of Gedi is a GA and probably the highest-quality article of the sites selected, so it would be a good choice to feature with an image. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I totally get that, that's why I said the example can of course also be left out, though it is nice to have a picturesque example included. But I wouldn't put much emphasis on that. Greetings, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 10:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support with a picture of Ruins of Gedi, which is a GA and has the highest-quality article of the sites selected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The article looks good, no doubt! Though the Good Article batch is from 2017 already and criteria have become quite a bit more strict. Greetings, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 13:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think the Schwerin Castle makes the perfect picture of all new entries! -- Venustates (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The article looks good, no doubt! Though the Good Article batch is from 2017 already and criteria have become quite a bit more strict. Greetings, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 13:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This happens every year and sometimes more than once per year, and we never post them. This time there are more than 20, and overall more than 1000. What we post are removal of the sites because the countries have managed them badly. This comment coming from someone heavily involved with World Heritage lists ;) --Tone 13:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly! At the same time, there are several things that happen every year or multiple times a year, like various sports events, or Oscar recipients (yawn ;) that are *always* posted. It's usually in all national news when a country gets a new World Heritage List entry. -- Venustates (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'll add that the list is factually inaccurate. For example, the Moravian Church settlements were listed in 2015 in Denmark. In 2024, the site was extended to include sites in the US, UK, and Germany. And yet, in the list, everything is listed as in 2015, which is incorrect. Oppose on quality, and on no prose. (but yes, I am all for posting good news) --Tone 03:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, if it is just about that very detail, how about just changing it in the article and we're good. :) -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 09:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support yeah, why not? I get that it hasn't been posted before but I think doing something different would be interesting. Blythwood (talk) 14:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on account more than anything else of not being sure the best way to blurb this. It's a routine event, but unlike an election, prize, or sporting event, there is no "winner". There is no overarching individual story here save the same sort that happens any individual year. Either we're just saying sites are announced (which isn't really news itself because, again, it's a scheduled event), or we're singling out one like in the original blurb, which is putting undue focus on whichever site we select to feature. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support It's nice to have positive news instead of the usual assassination, coup, plane crash, or natural disaster. Celjski Grad (talk) 15:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above, nice to have something good in itn for once Sharrdx (talk) 15:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support A wonderful nomination! With regards to pics, we could feature several ones over the course of the days this stays on top. E.g. start with Gedi, then Schwerin, etc. until something else supersedes this. Should this make it, and be supported also in upcoming years, this could even be a regular feature for ITNR? Khuft (talk) 15:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- ITNR would be a lovely idea. However, I don't see how you can vote support when there's so little prose. Bremps... 16:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I really like this idea; could be an excellent way to show off a bunch of our articles! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nice idea! _-_Alsor (talk) 12:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality. No stand alone article and in the linked page there is no prose, just tables. I'm not opposed on principle. But we need something with meat on it if we are going to be promoting this on the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as there's zero prose. Will support when fixed. The Kip (contribs) 18:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, with no comment on article quality as I haven't looked over any of them yet. I've added a second altblurb for consideration. Kurtis (talk) 18:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality I could see us posting this every year, but if the article has no prose, it simply can't be posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:16, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for tabularity and because most sections start with numerals (ending without periods). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose but suggest transferring to featured list This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- You've been around long enough to know that "toss to x section" is an extremely poor argument. Curbon7 (talk) 01:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I really want to support given coverage of this has raised my spirits amongst everything else, but per The KIP and Ad Orientem we've declined much more urgent and pressing news in the past due to similar article quality and lack of prose. Schwinnspeed (talk) 02:08, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This seemingly happens every year and there's nothing particularly remarkable about this one, particularly as we're not highlighting any of them in particular. Incremental statistics are rarely good ITN material. Obviously would need to address the lack of prose too to be even considered. — Amakuru (talk) 05:22, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Would it help to add some prose introduction to the Committee session in the article? Or rather integrate it in the World Heritage Committee article as an individual section that can be updated for every new session when new entries are publicly announced? :) Greetings, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 10:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Always cool, but there is no prose update! The section is just a table and that's it. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Absolutely no article would ever get posted if the only update to it was a table with no prose whatsoever attached, and this should not be an exception. -- Kicking222 (talk) 13:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per principle, as these kinds of news are nice and kind of rare, but I don't know about the articles though. Wish I had the time to polish them up, but I'll be working on the Venezuela articles foreseeably. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I prefer this kind of content for ITN to the usual bleak mirroring of major news outlets' headlines, but the article is quite weak (just a list) and it's essentially something recurring annually by default, so not very strong on the newsworthiness scale, either. Yakikaki (talk) 19:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Venezuelan presidential election
[edit]Blurb: Nicolás Maduro is announced as the winner of the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Venezuela, incumbent President Nicolás Maduro is declared the winner of the presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: Incumbent Nicolás Maduro is re-elected President of Venezuela for a third term.
Alternative blurb III: After disputed presidential elections, protests erupt in Venezuela.
Alternative blurb IV: Protests erupt after Nicolás Maduro is declared the winner of Venezuela's 2024 presidential election
News source(s): NY Times BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Rockstone35 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Cyfraw (talk · give credit)
- Updated by SandyGeorgia (talk · give credit), Ballers1919 (talk · give credit), PopularGames (talk · give credit), Susmuffin (talk · give credit) and Theasiancowboy (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nicolás Maduro has been announced the winner of the 2024 election. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 04:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Support"Who gets the most votes means nothing. Who counts the votes, means everything" Joseph Stalin -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready As noted by others, the article has a number of issues that will require some work before this can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support ALTBLURB with "declared winner" language used for dubious elections This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt disappointing. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 05:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb language used and oppose for citations needed - I caution users to tame their chauvinism. Western media is very obviously biased on this matter. For decades, the West has sought regime change in this nation and election after election we see the West attempt to discredit elections in socialist countries in the Global South. It is frankly disgusting that Wikipedia is joining in this rather than critically assessing our sources for reliability. How many times must we watch as the US manufactures consent for a coup before we realize that we can't trust most US sources on this issue. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Really? The second citation is British.... not American. --RockstoneSend me a message! 05:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- You are funny if you think that makes difference. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:58, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- With all due respect, it's outrageous to refer to the BBC as a "US source", and it makes you look very bad. Honestly, your entire comment is outrageous and doesn't serve to help the project in any manner. You should consider striking it. --RockstoneSend me a message! 15:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of the authenticity of the election, these discussion pages are not meant to be used to petty bickering. We will use the source deemed most reliable, and whether or not it fits with your stance on the subject, be it politically or as an external perspective/opinion, is not to be taken into consideration. Let's do our best not to become Reddit, thank you. Daneellis114 (talk) 23:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah best to close the discussion here PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- You are funny if you think that makes difference. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:58, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- For about the 50th time in the last month to various users, personal commentary doesn’t help this project. The Kip (contribs) 06:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- This was objectively a sham election by all reliable accounts apart from the Maduro regime, stop pushing POV. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have any independent sources to back up your entire comment? If not, you yourself are guilty of pushing a pro-Maduro POV. Tube·of·Light 14:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The BBC is not a reliable source but the Venezuelan regime somehow is PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Um, hate to be that guy, but countering chauvinism or "chauvinism" with what presents as chauvinism itself isn't helpful. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Really? The second citation is British.... not American. --RockstoneSend me a message! 05:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb with "declared" due to the dispute. Article seems well written and cited. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 05:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support the original blurb unless evidence of fraud emerges (which it may, of course) PtolemyXV (talk) 05:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb, it’s not just “the west” disputing the results but the opposition themselves. The Kip (contribs) 06:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The proposed blurbs don't adequately convey the phony nature of the process. And the article is in a poor state with a lot of rambling, citations needed and tense errors. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Repeatedly has been shown tht we're not going to try to call out sham elections or their ilk at ITN. We can use language how we say who won that implies that it was not democratic win, like we have done for the last Russian election, but it becomes a NPOV problem to suggest in the ITN blurb if the election is a sham; that's a topic left for the article in question. — Masem (t) 11:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's nonsense because numerous editors have supported the alt blurb as a standard signal to the reader that the election was not free and fair. So, we do regularly call out such sham elections in that way but it's too subtle -- we should be more direct rather than dropping hints.
- In any case, there are still the quality issues which are not resolved.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 20:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Repeatedly has been shown tht we're not going to try to call out sham elections or their ilk at ITN. We can use language how we say who won that implies that it was not democratic win, like we have done for the last Russian election, but it becomes a NPOV problem to suggest in the ITN blurb if the election is a sham; that's a topic left for the article in question. — Masem (t) 11:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article has two cn tags, two orange tags, one yellow tag and result section is empty. Therefore, it is no way near ready to be posted. I support the Alt Blurb when it is ready to be psoted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, but support alt when ready. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Oppose those and any blurb that does not acknowledge the denounces of electoral fraud, which are a relevant news topic in themselves. Cambalachero (talk) 15:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)- Support ALT3 Cambalachero (talk) 02:20, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support once the article is well ready and meets quality standards. --cyrfaw (talk) 17:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Are we sure this is WP:ITN/R? There was no change in administration. Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- This falls under "The results of general elections in: All states on the list of sovereign states". Howard the Duck (talk) 19:54, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, elections for the executive where there is no change in office are now also ITNR, per this discussion. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:24, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There are multiple orange tags, and the endorsements section is missing a lot of citations. Will support the alt when ready. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait The National Electoral Council (Venezuela) has been offline and/or has a DNS problem since at least the last day or so, although some archived snapshots e.g. 28 July are available. As of the 2010s and 2020s, the electoral results coordinated by any national election commission, except for the internet-poorest countries, are normally published in full detail on the commission's website. Whether the reason for the website non-availability is attacks such as DDOS or tech incompetence or a desire to hide the results, the fact is that by the current standards of a national election, the results in the sense of open data are not yet published. There is currently only a "believe-us" XXth century style "result" announced by the CNE so far. The heads of many American states, such as Gabriel Boric, are putting pressure on the CNE to get the full results published. Waiting for a more serious release of the full results would make sense. Boud (talk) 21:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Along the lines of what Boud said, in lay terms, the election result hasn't actually been called, Maduro has just said he's won. The opposition has not conceded, there are no results to show (some apparently have fully gone missing) - the last update from even Maduro's own commission is that vote counts will be coming soon. Kingsif (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose For now, as the results themselves are still unavailable in the article. Granted, the results aren't gonna be super shocking. Dyaquna (talk) 22:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Reliable sources are essentially unanimous in describing the election as neither free or fair. Therefore, Maduro being declared the winner is about as surprising as "water is wet". KlayCax (talk) 00:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait There should be something, however it ought to mention the dispute. This is major news.
- Metallurgist (talk) 01:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Update of blurb needed: While waiting for the CNE to announce the full results, the 2024 Venezuelan protests (probably not the best name, since there were probably other protests in Venezuela in 2024) are already 11 kb of source text just 5 hours after being created, so should be integrated into the blurb. Things could change fast depending on if/when the CNE publishes the full results or continues to refuse to publish them, so further updates might be needed. Boud (talk) 01:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, and had actually just come here to suggest much the same. —Cryptic 01:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Suggest nominating the protests as their own blurb. If the photo can be confirmed as free, it's also really good to go in the box. Kingsif (talk) 02:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because the election is dispute, protests are ongoing, and there are multiple orange tags. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 02:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unless the blurb states clearly that it was rigged and that it sparked massive protests. Plus, the article has certain problems. If these are solved, take this one as a support. --Bedivere (talk) 06:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- We don't write personal opinions in Wikivoice, especially on the front page. Also, see 2024 Rwandan general election. Black Kite (talk) 09:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2. That thing with words like "announced" or "declared" in dubious elections simply doesn't work, and I don't think our readers get the difference that a group of editors here wants to convey. Simply use "re-elected" and let the readers visit the article to find out the details. All winners are "announced" or "declared" no matter if the election was free and fair.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most readers don't click through to the article. The main page gets about 5 million views daily but the number of readers that click though ITN links is only about 10K -- a tiny fraction. So, most readers will glance at or skim the main page and will just see the headline and the grinning picture of the tyrant/dictator/president-for-life. So, we should make the headline plain and clear if we run one because that's all most readers will see. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why do you think that "announced" or "declared" makes it clear that the winner is a dictator or that the election was not free and fair? Why not extend the blurb to say that "X was re-elected in a dubious election"?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The result is disputed; for example, see Venezuelan opposition says it has proof its candidate defeated President Maduro in disputed election. In such circumstances of claim and counter-claim, it's not our job to pick a winner. All we might say currently is that there is unrest following a disputed election. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the protests should be the main story now. My point was that the words "announced" or "declared" wouldn't make any difference. If we post that Maduro was "announced winner", we practically accept the announcement of the National Electoral Council, so we practically side with them and pick Maduro as winner. Note that the opposition rejects outright what the National Electoral Council announced as a result of the election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The result is disputed; for example, see Venezuelan opposition says it has proof its candidate defeated President Maduro in disputed election. In such circumstances of claim and counter-claim, it's not our job to pick a winner. All we might say currently is that there is unrest following a disputed election. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why do you think that "announced" or "declared" makes it clear that the winner is a dictator or that the election was not free and fair? Why not extend the blurb to say that "X was re-elected in a dubious election"?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most readers don't click through to the article. The main page gets about 5 million views daily but the number of readers that click though ITN links is only about 10K -- a tiny fraction. So, most readers will glance at or skim the main page and will just see the headline and the grinning picture of the tyrant/dictator/president-for-life. So, we should make the headline plain and clear if we run one because that's all most readers will see. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2 only when ready. We posted the 2024 Rwandan general election using the "re-elected" wording despite that election being even more dubious than this one. Black Kite (talk) 09:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Since the focus is now on protests, I suggest alternative blurb:
- After disputed presidential elections, protests erupt in Venezuela. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a good blurb, but the article quality for the protests is not there yet. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The sources do not currently show which is more notable: the election or the protests, so putting both in bold would be better justified. Boud (talk) 13:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with this, but both articles currently are not of sufficient quality. So if one is improved before the other, we could just make that the target to start out. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The sources do not currently show which is more notable: the election or the protests, so putting both in bold would be better justified. Boud (talk) 13:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a good blurb, but the article quality for the protests is not there yet. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Well referenced and article fixed now. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 14:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb3 Article infobox makes no claim of a winner, lede claims both are self-proclaimed winners. Peter Njeim (talk) 17:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb3 so a NPOV stance is mantained and the disputed nature of the election is highlighted. CVDX (talk) 22:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose altblurb3, we didn't say that when Trump claimed fraud, or put that into the same blurb. Wait for the protests to unfold further as they CLEARLY have been planned well before the elections took place. And, the article for the protests largely covers only one side. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 does not take a side on the fraud controversy, only points that they are disputed presidential elections... which they are, and it doesn't take a POV to say so Cambalachero (talk) 15:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- The Carter Center is convincing:
- "Carter Center Statement on Venezuela Election" (Press release). Carter Center. 30 July 2024. Retrieved 31 July 2024.
- and the OAS will speak today. Blurb III is best (but both of the Venezuelan articles are in much worse shape than indicted by the tags still on them -- it's very hard to even document all of the cleanup still needed). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- And this:
- Applebaum, Anne (31 July 2024). "Venezuela's Dictator Can't Even Lie Well". The Atlantic. Retrieved 31 July 2024.
In the hours after the polls closed, much of the international media had refrained from stating the obvious. 'BREAKING:,' the Associated Press tweeted on Monday. 'Venezuela's President Nicolás Maduro is declared the winner in the presidential election amid opposition claims of irregularities.' But by Tuesday morning, it was absolutely clear that the election was not merely irregular or tainted or disputed: The election had been stolen.
- Applebaum, Anne (31 July 2024). "Venezuela's Dictator Can't Even Lie Well". The Atlantic. Retrieved 31 July 2024.
- SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- We are in a new cold war, and as per Coffeeandcrumbs, the mainstream media of one side will all portray the conflict in a certain way.
- See these two articles from an left-wing American media organisation:
- Macleod, Alan (30 July 2024). "Venezuela: While US politicians call fraud, American election observers endorse results". Mintpress News. Retrieved 31 July 2024.
I spoke to a person who is voting against Maduro, a professional who studied psychology in San Francisco. She was hopeful for change. But what was very significant was that she thought that the electoral process is free and fair. Overall, our impression of going to the various polling places was that people were very welcoming to us international observers, and were very proud to be out there voting for their country."
"People are happy and welcoming tons of foreigners to look and see what they are doing and explain it patiently, with confidence and real enthusiasm for democracy. Actually, I think that one of the reasons that there is so much cynicism in the United States about democracy is that people don't trust the system. And here, part of their enthusiasm is that they have a lot of confidence in their system, that their voice will be heard".
- Macleod, Alan (30 July 2024). "Solidarity from Palestine to Venezuela: Meet the Palestinians observing Venezuela's elections". Mintpress News. Retrieved 31 July 2024. Viva Nicolás (talk) 03:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- You should consider installing the unreliable source detector, as it instantly flagged your links as unreliable because Mintpress News is known to publish fabricated information regularly. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Mintpress published two articles on their blacklisting on Wikipedia. They and another major leftist news outlet TeleSUR, were blacklisted in 2019-2020 the context of the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis. You can read the article if you are curious:
- Macleod, Alan (30 July 2024). "Venezuela: While US politicians call fraud, American election observers endorse results". Mintpress News. Retrieved 31 July 2024.
- Webb, Whitney (30 July 2019). "How a small group of pro-Israel activists blacklisted Mintpress on Wikipedia". Mintpress News. Retrieved 1 August 2024.
- Macleod, Alan (12 June 2020). "Project Venezuela: Right-wing activists push Wikipedia to blacklist Mintpress, other alternative media". Mintpress News. Retrieved 1 August 2024. Viva Nicolás (talk) 05:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, if anything, Wikipedia has a slight pro-left bias (like much of the internet). Second of all, it does not matter if they are a "leftist" news outlet. It matters if they are reliable or not. And the consensus on Wikipedia is that they are unreliable because they have been shown (with proof) to have routinely published fabricated information. Regardless, that is not even a discussion that needs to be had here - you can review the reasons the community decided it is so unreliable as to deserve deprecation at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 268 § RfC: MintPress News if you so wish. If you continue to act that source needs to be considered for anything, much less an irrelevant policy violating commentary about whether the protests are "legitimate" or not, it is not likely to bode well for your continued participation in the topic area/Wikipedia as a whole. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Mintpress stands no chance vs. Guardian (which is also left-leaning). BilboBeggins (talk) 06:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- And this:
- May I ask who planned the protests? Because they occured suddenly, opposition figures didn't ask for protests, they asked only for verified ballots to make the result of election transparent, because they know what are consequences for them. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Here it is:
- @Yvangil (July 29, 2024). "Venezuela strongly condemns the interventionist actions and statements of a group of right-wing governments, subservient to Washington and openly aligned with the most sordid ideological tenets of international fascism. These governments are attempting to revive the failed and defeated Lima Group in an effort to undermine the electoral results of the Presidential Elections held on Sunday, July 28, 2024. These elections resulted in the victory of Nicolás Maduro as President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela for a new Constitutional Term from 2025 to 2031" (Tweet) – via Twitter.
- The defendant providing this statement is enough to cast doubt on that the protests weren't pre-planned from the outside. Viva Nicolás (talk) 03:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- So, in one word... WP:FRINGE. Cambalachero (talk) 04:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- But the tweet itself and attached to the tweet is an official communique from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Venezuela. Viva Nicolás (talk) 04:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- You mean the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that's run by and subject to the whims of Maduro himself? Of course Maduro is going to try to delegitimize the protests regarding his attempt to falsify election results. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- But the tweet itself and attached to the tweet is an official communique from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Venezuela. Viva Nicolás (talk) 04:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- So, in one word... WP:FRINGE. Cambalachero (talk) 04:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The defendant providing this statement is enough to cast doubt on that the protests weren't pre-planned from the outside. Viva Nicolás (talk) 03:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment IMO, I think the only thing in the way of this being posted is the flagrant political bias in both articles. I think I would like to work on this ^ - ^ --Viva Nicolás (talk) 04:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe, if this has to be posted within a specified timeframe, I would support altblurb4 on the nomination on July 30. Viva Nicolás (talk) 05:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've added alt4 from that nomination into this nomination. Viva Nicolás (talk) 05:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- And remember when the 2019 Bolivian general election was overturned by protests when the opposition alleged they were rigged, but the 2020 Bolivian general election run under the coup regime definitively showed otherwise. Viva Nicolás (talk) 06:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The election article can be formatted like the 2019 Bolivian general election article, while the protests article can be formatted like the 2019 Bolivian protests article. Viva Nicolás (talk) 06:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Give me all of tomorrow (AEST), and both articles should be up to standard. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please stop using this page as a forum: MintPress is a deprecated source and Tweets from government officials are not secondary independent sources. You cannot bring "articles up to standard" with this kind of misunderstanding of Wikipedia policy and guideline. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Give me all of tomorrow (AEST), and both articles should be up to standard. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The election article can be formatted like the 2019 Bolivian general election article, while the protests article can be formatted like the 2019 Bolivian protests article. Viva Nicolás (talk) 06:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe, if this has to be posted within a specified timeframe, I would support altblurb4 on the nomination on July 30. Viva Nicolás (talk) 05:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb3 if emphasis is changed. The elections article is mostly cleaned up (one cite check orange tag remains, which I can't fix), while the protests article is quite deficient. Altblurb3 works if the emphasis is changed from the protests article to the main article:
- After disputed presidential elections, protests erupt in Venezuela. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Many sources use the word contested rather than disputed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb IV looking like this is devolving into civil conflict, at least 11 dead in protests so far. Scu ba (talk) 17:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb3 due to the ongoing controversy and protests following the election. Highlighting the disputed nature of the election and the subsequent civil unrest is important to convey the full context to readers. Wilfredor (talk) 23:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ALT3 or ALT4 - articles seem ready for posting now. The Kip (contribs) 18:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Alma Powell
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:113:A09D:C0B3:2CBF (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TurboChargedChiliPepper (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American audiologist. 240F:7A:6253:1:113:A09D:C0B3:2CBF (talk) 06:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Needs more citations. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- This stubby wikibio currently has only 189 words of prose. Anything else to write about her? --PFHLai (talk) 12:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Francine Pascal
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People, New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:113:A09D:C0B3:2CBF (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American author and creator of Sweet Valley High series. 240F:7A:6253:1:113:A09D:C0B3:2CBF (talk) 06:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is orange tagged for expansion and is a bit short. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've expanded the article out a bit; I don't think there are any unsourced statements anymore, but it's definitely still on the shorter side. I would add that the "sources" section, which seems to awkwardly combine a bibliography and a reference list, does not seem appropriate for the article in its current form and the bibliography side of it is basically unsourced, as it has no ISBNs or anything of the like.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 14:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Some ISBNs, etc. have started to show up, but the "Sources" section could use more tidying up. --PFHLai (talk) 15:29, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Doug Creek
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7072:B26A:4473:10DD (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GhostRiver (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American baseball player. 240F:7A:6253:1:7072:B26A:4473:10DD (talk) 06:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article has only three sources, needs more citations. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:16, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Multiple footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Reyes Moronta
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GhostRiver (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 04:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is good enough for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 16:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship final
[edit]Blurb: In Gaelic football, the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship concludes with Armagh defeating Galway in the final. (Post)
News source(s): (The Irish Times)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Goevenonme (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sheila1988 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Edl-irishboy (talk · give credit), INgIEroC (talk · give credit), Warrioruzi 7 (talk · give credit) and Jacinta Fraser (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Goevenonme (talk) 00:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Well-written and in-depth article, don’t see any issues. The Kip (contribs) 03:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - good article, significant sporting event.
IrishRealistic (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article has a good amount of prose about the final. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 08:08, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: John Anderson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
UK Gladiators referee and British Olympic coach. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support DoB is cn tagged and also the infobox includes his spouses but it isn't anywhere in the prose nor is it sourced, so that info should be added to prose and sourced or excised from the infobox. Otherwise article looks fine. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 16:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cited DOB and birthplace. Curbon7 (talk) 01:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've also cleared or cited any new CN tags. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Prince Michael of Greece and Denmark
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News, The Independent, and others.
Credits:
- Nominated by Therealscorp1an (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 2a02:587:cc2b:5b00:5043:807d:3ff5:97ca (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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He was a member of the former Greek royal family, a writer, a historian, a first cousin of Prince Philip and the last surviving great-grandson of Christian IX. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support I have added a cite for the CN tags so it should be all ready to go now. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 05:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait List of works section needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The List of works section has remained largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab @PFHLai Fixed. Please, take a look. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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